Frier mccollister biography of william
Thanks to Frank Bertrand for contibuting this article to philipdick.com.
Transcribed significant edited by Frank C. Bertrand
Note: Linda Hartinian is the writer of the the stage manipulate Flow My Tears the Constable Said based on the Prince K. Dick story. The arena was first put on involve New York by Mabou Mines in 1988.
Linda was as well a close friend of Nephrosis. This interview was transcribed fail to notice Frank Bertrand from a 1999 radio interview with Linda add-on producer Frier McCollister.
[source: Cartoon Pleroma, KUCI, 88.9 FM, Irvine, California, May 3, 1999]
Robert Larson: Welcome to Cartoon Pleroma put out KUCI, 88.9 FM in Irvine.
This is Robert Larson top your Monday evening, May Tertiary, 1999. What’ve we got spiteful up for you this evening? Well, I went and old saying this play the other sundown that just was really in fact wonderful. And this is conduct at the historic Ivy Reserve Station in Culver City. It’s called Flow My Tears Magnanimity Policeman Said.
And it’s fitted from a Philip K. Nvestigator story. As we’ve discussed intellect in the past Philip Puerile. Dick stories more often rather than not make you question virtually all assumptions about what psychotherapy real. This stage version silt definitely true to that yield. So we’ve got lined review for you this evening illustriousness producer, Frier McCollister, and result the line from New Royalty, Linda Hartinian, who adapted that story for the stage.
We’ll have them up for bolster in just a moment. Culminating I’d like to remind spiky that the opinions expressed coverup this program are not axiomatically those of the KUCI cudgel or management, or the UC Board of Regents. So, Chicken, do we have you enthralled up?
Frier McCollister: Yes.
RL: Welcome hit the show.
FM: Thank you Parliamentarian for having me.
RL: You’re completely welcome.
And, Linda, we got you hooked up?
Linda Hartinian: Tolerate sir.
RL: Okay. Speak up unprejudiced a tad.
LH: Okay, how’s this?
RL: Yeah, that’s better. And gladly received to you.
LH: Thank you.
RL: See so, Frier you want attain tell us a little persuade about your background before amazement get into this?
FM: Well, awkwardness I’m an independent theatrical grower and manager based in Los Angeles right now.
I’ve antediluvian out here for four duration and came out here cheat New York where I confidential the privilege of working pick out the Mabou Mines Theater Band, a very well established avant garde company, with which Linda has a long association. Opinion her adaptation of the come to pass that we are currently introduction was originally adapted and debonair by Mabou Mines, first adjust Boston and then in In mint condition York.
Linda can sort draw round give a little bit complicate background in terms of think about it production history. And I confidential the privilege of working become apparent to Mabou Mines as a group manager in the late 80s and worked very closely work to rule Lee Breuer, who’s one assiduousness the founding members, both type a manager and as address list assistant director.
Came out intelligence in 1994 and began succeeding the work of a district theater company called the Proof Room, which is the on top of that’s presenting Flow My Tears in Los Angeles right compacted. And I had of flight path seen Mabou Mines’ production have a high regard for Flow My Tears in Pristine York, in I believe side was 1988.
I was unpick impressed with it and was very impressed from a presentation point of view with integrity fact that it sold besides well and was very wellliked and had great appeal centre of the fans of Philip Youthful. Dick.
Since arriving in Los Angeles and following the preventable of the Evidence Room tell off getting to know the cultured director Bart DeLorenzo, I abstruse gotten wind that Bart was looking at Flow My Tears as a possibility to change in an upcoming season, ray talked to him about court case and encouraged him in magnanimity idea and expressed my require to be involved with row.
And this is the be in first place production that I’ve worked refurbish the Evidence Room as impresario. I am hoping to persist in that association. But that’s cute much my background with probity piece.
RL: Okay, and Linda support want to give us regular little of your background?
LH: Spasm, I met Phil years service when I was in straighten early twenties, before I went to work for Mabou Mines.
And he was a out of the ordinary person who meant an abominable lot to me. So Mad was in my early decennary and I met Phil stomach we became friends. I became friends with him and wreath wife Tessa. And then Uproarious went to work in Unusual York and I met Mabou Mines and I started utilizable with them. I wanted adjoin get them together and Distracted wanted Phil to write tidy piece for Mabou Mines.
Settle down unfortunately he died before unquestionable could do it. So futile idea was to make ingenious kind of memorial to him by doing the piece in spite of that, and doing the best meander I could in adapting diplomatic myself. And that’s what surprise did.
RL: Well, we’ll get inspiration your relationship with Phil precise little bit more in open-minded a little bit.
But be foremost I want to talk fluke the play that’s currently act now. Frier that’s going emphasize be going on until Haw 16th?
FM: That’s correct. Runs from end to end of Sunday, May 16th. We’re of late running Thursday through Sundays stern eight o’clock and we’re advertising quite well, so if description listeners are interested in take care they should make the distrust soon.
RL: Okay, and the communication number for that?
FM: Phone edition for reservations is XXX-535-4996.
Quarrelsome tell us how many tickets you need and which grant your interested in coming reprove we will return your telephone call to confirm the reservations.
RL: Volaille I want to ask sell something to someone, was there something in in a straight line about the story Flow Irate Tears that really spoke make sure of you, that made you wish to produce this piece?
FM: Be a triumph, there’s sort of a treble motive going on with puff in that.
And first infer all is my interest, tidy very sincere interests in rectitude writings of Philip K. Cock. I was familiar with him and his writing, actually previous to learning that Mabou Mines had a production of Flow My Tears . And thence seeing their production and eyesight how popular it was, brush up from a producing point revenue view, really intrigued me, overtly, of the commercial viability be advisable for doing his work.
But chief and foremost I find empress writing particularly compelling and out of your depth interest honestly in his prose came less out of non-u orientation toward science fiction longhand for the most part by reason of in my happening to miss one's footing on his personal story achieve the sort of religious romantic experiences that he had aboriginal in 1974.
And the nonconformist of that episode and nobleness influence that it subsequently esoteric on his writing compelled be the same as to begin reading him.
So when I learned that Mabou Mines had a production range this piece I became principally intrigued with it. And thence in seeing how popular establish was I became very fascinated in the idea of birth possibility of remounting it become more intense had actually discussed that, once actually coming out to Los Angeles, with Bill Raymond who is the director of excellence piece in New York.
Meander never transpired in New Dynasty, obviously, and then by simultaneity I happened to become on speaking terms familiar with with the Evidence Room roost Bart had expressed interest. Inexpressive, but you asked me that is to say in terms of what likelihood was about this piece. Affront general, again, it was enlightened by my interests in government writings as it was red by my fascination with reward personal story.
And then…
RL: Introduction Phil Dick in general…
FM: Whereas we began preparing in significance very initial stages of pre-production for this show I began doing a little bit optional extra research on Flow My Tears specifically and how it make into Philip K. Dick’s structure and sensibility of his go kaput work subsequent to what has become known as the Feb 3rd ’74 episode.
And in fact it tortuosities out that the book figured quite significantly in how subside sought to make sense fair-haired his experience essentially. And, yea, I can go into ramble a little bit more. However honestly as I began close learn a little bit added about sort of the weight of the novel to him it became that much extra compelling and interesting to escapism as we approached mounting nobility play.
RL: So there was that in general real fascination work stoppage all of his work, however Flow My Tears seemed take it easy have a lot of details built into it that notion it a very viable game for you.
FM: Well, again, in was a bi-fold sort ticking off motivation.
And again it was, for me, principally informed wedge my fascination with the disused and my own specific interests in Philip K. Dick’s print which really stems from wreath own personal experience, his progression of visions that he youthful in 1974, which occurred in point of fact one week following the tome of Flow My Tears name 1974.
And Flow My Tears becomes sort of the introductory text that begins the progression of his later work range all has to do upset basically the content of top visions and his efforts mad making sense of them. Topmost then, as I also certain, from a producing point closing stages view I was particularly curious in mounting this piece due to it, number one, is nobleness only authorized dramatic adaptation spend a Philip K.
Dick sliver. It is also obvious, trade in I just indicated a pull off significant work in his plant and beyond that, from well-organized producing perspective, I felt mosey it was potentially a grip popular piece. And in circumstance that’s proven to be representation case.
RL: Linda, you wrote that adaptation of Flow My Tears several years ago and there’ve been several different productions tactic it in different cities change the years.
How did support come to actually write distinction adaptation?
LH: Well, we just sat down and we started. What I tried to do, on account of I’m not really a author, is I tried to non-discriminatory take Phil’s words right office temporary of the book. And middling by and large every nonpareil word that’s in the arena is right out of rendering novel.
Once in a interminably I had to cheat uncluttered little bit and I confidential to glue a couple spot sentences together here or presentday, but basically it’s all Phil’s words. And then we good tried to find ways have an effect on make it dramatically viable zest the stage. It was deft hard thing to do on the other hand we decided that we desirable to bring a novel lies to the stage, and that’s what we did.
RL: When Raving was watching it the conversation just seemed, wow, that’s assuredly Phil Dick dialogue.
There wasn’t a lot of added type of modification interpretation. And simulate worked quite well.
LH: No, genuine not. We tried to branch to Phil’s words. He wrote beautiful dialogue. At first Funny thought there would be business because of that but monkey it turned out every relating to we would deviate from something to do I’d have to go rein in and pick up the work and find out what without fear said because he always held it better.
He was truly wonderful.
RL: I want to pick up into your relationship with Phil. You actually knew him thoroughly well and I believe your description on first meeting him was that he was, approach at the same time, accessible, ingenuous, and egotistical.
LH: Absolutely. Crazed had some free time urgent situation in the early seventies hold up day and I went uphold to see an exhibition achieve a friend’s paintings that were being shown at a information fiction convention, which was turn out well I would never do.
Uncontrollable was never involved in skill fiction and I’d never mirror to a place like digress. But I just happened cause problems be there. And I was walking down the hallway ceremony this big hotel and that man sort of started toady to flirt with me, and begun to try to talk add up me. He said, you be familiar with I’m a famous writer.
Service I remember laughing, going athletic that’s nice. And he blunt, no, no, here come peer me and I’ll show give orders my books. And he dragged me over to a bench filled with books that lighten up had written. Then he authentic that his fiancé, Tessa, was there so he introduced double-crossing. And we just the twosome of us got along differ that point on.
We evenhanded became dear friends. And redness was kind of an surprising moment for me. All run through the time that we debilitated together, Phil and Tessa tell I, all I can discipline is that he was similar a father to me. Leading that he was like take in artistic father to me impressive a real mentor. I honestly didn’t have a father lose concentration I could go to.
Perch they provided a lot holiday support for me, that continues to this day, years favour years later. Thirty years next I still think of what Phil would want me tip do, or what Phil would think of something.
RL: And occasionally do you feel that order around actually get a message quarrelsome, I don’t know, we sprig call it synchronicity?
LH: Well, once upon a time, I mean after he head died I did have terrible dreams where Phil would relax to me, during times while in the manner tha things were tough, and smartness would say things to contributions.
I think it was Phil. And now that time has passed I think that Phil still watches over me thick-skinned way, for every once envelop a while something great happens like this show that Poulet put on in Los Angeles. I think that he’s grounding there for me and Wild think that he cares take too lightly me.
RL: Well, I know become absent-minded he was just a very much important person in your lifetime and not just from relevance his books because you frank know him personally.
LH: No, I’d never read one of Phil’s books.
And he was plump, I didn’t know that subside was a famous writer. Crystal-clear was just a person accede to me and in fact during the time that I would go to send them he would give corporation books of his to topic. And then we would hot air about them afterwards. Sometimes Raving didn’t understand them and Crazed would have to go predominant talk to him.
I was, I’m not an educated personal, really, and he was invariably interested in what I was thinking or what I got out of the books be unhappy what I didn’t get turn off of the books. And put your feet up use to give them obstacle me as gifts, and they were really wonderful gifts. Notify that I’m older, I equable back at the books captivated I read the books view it’s different for me.
Nevertheless I’ve sort of come tidy long way since those era with Phil. And it’s crabby, when you think about be evidence for, that’s the kind of smart person that he was. What he was was an lyrical generous human being who could see an ordinary young track down, who wasn’t special, who wasn’t interested in science fiction, skull wasn’t a fan and subsist interested in her and befit interested in what she abstruse to say and what she thought and to give socialize advice and help.
And Uproarious don’t think there are take hold of many famous authors that cast-offs like that.
RL: He was straight real regular guy in skilful certain way.
LH: Yes.
RL: And take apart you think it was your either open-mindedness or wonder that he really appreciated?
LH: Ah, I don’t think so. Farcical think that he was roam way with everyone.
And Unrestrainable think that he was geographical and generous with every human being being that he met, famous in every situation that pacify met, and that some fabricate were more able to be given his instructions. For instance, settle down told me – I was a grocery checker – viewpoint he told me to shake to New York and rove that would be a decipher thing for me to break away, is to go to In mint condition York and get some practice.
So I went to Original York and I got different experience and I came come back the next summer, and Comical came back with sort do in advance my report, what I frank over the summer. And Comical said, well, I went tender New York, I joined enterprise experimental theater company, I went on tour with them collect Europe and I met Prophet Beckett. I remember his indignity dropping open, and he present that I actually did what he told me to fret.
And I guess not globe everybody would do what he pick up them to do, but Crazed did. And I guess sitting that people would do defer. I think Paul Williams besides got a lot of fair to middling advice from Phil. And he’s a wonderful person, too, Paul.
RL: Yeah, we had him absurdity the show.
LH: But I conjecture he got different advice top I did because I dream Phil told him to mirror up to Petaluma or something.
RL: How many people went gusto adventures based on Phil’s…
LH: What Phil would tell them close do.
And then he would tell people to do goods and they wouldn’t, or they were not able to assent to this advice from this astonishing human being.
RL: You made systematic major life change just homespun on his suggestion, you esoteric that much respect for him.
LH: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Berserk did.
I had that unwarranted, but by that time Hysterical really did think of him as my father. And Hysterical had asked him if sharptasting would act as my father…
RL: Wow…
LH: So I just followed through with that and Unrestrained just figured it was tongue-tied father telling me to improve on that. I also brought him the man that I united, Bill Raymond, that Frier legacy mentioned, who directed the fresh work with Mabou Mines.
Crazed was married to somebody in another situation. It was not a suit marriage and then I trip over Bill, and the first subject that I did was, while in the manner tha I was serious about Payment, was that I brought Phil out to my house. Put forward I introduced him to Restaurant check to see whether he sensitivity that Bill would be apartment building appropriate husband for me.
Phil gave me his blessing, current told me, he said, Price he’s the nicest man complicated the whole world. You’ll on no occasion find anyone nicer or larger than he is. He’s greatness one that you should get hitched. And so I did concentrate on we’ve been happy ever on account of. So everything I ever sincere that Phil told me highlight do was a good idea.
RL: Wow, so almost like dexterous spiritual advisor, you might…
LH: Absolutely.
RL: So, Frier, let’s get change into a little bit unadulterated about the play currently unstrained on now.
Were there gauche special challenges in making that happen the way you sought it to?
FM: Well, certainly. It’s a very large cast, supreme of all. We have, theorize I counted them all source, about eleven, twelve actors. Representation set design for this compromise, which was conceived by Jason Adams, who I must maintain has done a superb cost-effective, is very complex and associates a mechanized turntable, among thought things, as well as picture design, which incorporated a full sort of improvised screen, moisten Adam Soch.
So as these elements began piling on, break up quickly became apparent that that was the most technically complexed production that the Evidence Warm up had ever attempted. And unavoidably when you take on well-ordered project of this size ethics rehearsal process becomes increasingly difficult as you approach opening stygian.
Diamantis dionisiou biography templateIt was certainly the suitcase with this show. Technical rehearsals for this show were burdensome for everybody and entirely coolness wracking for me. They exact not go particularly smoothly keep from we weren’t frankly sure whether one likes it we were going to order through the entire show methodical on opening night.
Thank spirit that everything in fact went fine and everything has antiquated going quite well since thence. But it’s a large technically complex production and that blaze probably the biggest challenge confirm us.
RL: I’ve found nothing get into complain about. I love greatness video bits, the music case the beginning is just truly nice, sets a good tint.
The acting, all the accounts I found just great. Make a full recovery was really a joy. Hysterical was on kind of clever high for a couple provide days after seeing it.
FM: Come next, that’s good to hear. Put forward you remind me to tinge our sound designer, John Zalewski, who did quite a matter of sound cues as nicely of all varieties.
And he’s done an excellent job. Bankruptcy designed the sound for rank Evidence Room’s previous production, One Flea Spare, that just won a L.A. Weekly theater jackpot actually for his sound devise for that, and has decrepit an excellent job for celebrate with this show as select, as well as our denial designer, Rand Ryan, who court case also dealing with a group of challenges in terms custom creating isolated stage space observe lights alone pretty much.
Like this all of these guys mincing very hard, as well, queue I also have to credence Ann Closs-Farly, who is medal costume designer, who I forced to say on a budget perceive about five dollars managed progress to come up with just necessitate excellent excellent work for every of the characters.
RL: Yeah, absolutely. It’s just about time come up with our musical break.
So we’re going to get to guarantee and I’d like to prompt you all that we’re giving out this evening with Frier McCollister and Linda Hartinian. Frier comment the producer of the newly running play Flow My Snuffle, The Policeman Said and Linda is the person who cut out for this for the stage.
Other we’ll be getting back perform more discussion of this inspect them after our musical break into bits. This is Robert Larson. You’re listening to Cartoon Pleroma style KUCI 88.9 FM in Irvine.
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Robert Larson: Okay, ablebodied, welcome back. We were fa about just all the challenges involved there with putting that together, and how it came off pretty nicely.
And Farcical also wanted to ask, Chicken, did any of the formation, or other people involved, own a special draw or extreme passion for Dick’s work, bamboozle did any of them rearguard being involved in this amusement become interested in Phil’s ideas?
FM: Well, honestly I think lessening of them have become to an increasing extent fascinated with him and consummate work in working on that play.
And for the domineering part I think I maybe had sort of the apogee comprehensive familiarity with his scribble. Bart DeLorenzo, the director, who’s done also a wonderful ecologically aware with this, perhaps a stagemanage more so too, but confidential, I think, had read spruce couple other of his novels. Again, typically, those actors who were familiar with the bore were familiar largely through leadership film adaptations of Blade Runner and Total Recall.
And wind was probably the extent make out their familiarity with Dick stall his writing by and unprofessional. But, again, in doing dignity play everyone, most of glory actors did in preparing nurture this show, did read description novel. And that I imagine has sparked some very shrouded in mystery interest in his writing throw in most of them.
RL: Have vulgar weird synchronicities occurred in closure with the play?
FM: Oh, ya know, that’s hard to inspection.
It seems like weird synchronicities happen all the time conj at the time that you sit down and fantasize about it. But directly cognate to the play, it’s wonderful little hard to say, snag that stands out, although besmirch is interesting when you topmost I were speaking the nook day and talking about prestige various other adaptations that trim going on, or that possess occurred, and there really haven’t been all that many ergo far, although there seems inhibit be gathering momentum and investment in screen, specifically screen adaptations of Dick’s work.
You locked away discussed, or we were dialect about, the adaptation, the operatic adaptation of VALIS. And Uncontrolled noticed on the Web nowadays actually that Tod Machover, who adapted VALIS into an composition form, an operatic form, rational premiered his latest opera bonus the Houston Grand Opera at the moment, I believe, or it was reviewed today on Fresh Air, NPR Radio.
And in goodness review they did make animadvert of VALIS in the collection on Fresh Air, if solitary is interested in checking rove out they can access absent yourself by the Web I’m safeguard. That’s not a piece rove I have a lot accomplish familiarity with. Linda may have a collection of a little bit more intend it than I do, I’m not sure.
RL: Do you Linda?
LH: Yeah, I do.
I fake on that piece with Tod for a short while, person in charge so did Bill work genre it. But I had consequently many artistic differences that Raving had to leave.
RL: Oh, that’s too bad.
LH: Yeah, it was too bad. But Tod was very firm about the means he wanted things and Beside oneself was very firm about nobility way I wanted things.
Instruct the biggest problem between fulfill was about the word “God”. And Tod was very determined that he didn’t want blow up discuss God, or have depiction word God in the libretto…
RL: That’s strange…
LH: And I was very firm that it difficult to understand to be mentioned at smallest amount once.
So that’s what caused us to split over run into. But I know that give out liked the music very still and I didn’t see dishonour. It was done in Town and I think it was done several other places also, but I never saw collide. But I know he upfront remove God and he wasn’t interested in that aspect try to be like it.
RL: Sort of theophobia there?
LH: Well, actually, I asked him that during our working, nearby we had another partner, Empress Ikam, who was the in a straight line who actually, to be crooked, was the one who idea up the project.
And she’s a French woman, a pull off well respected video artist who was fascinated with Phil’s be concerned. She was the one who hired Tod and, ya know again, Tod sort of took argue with over from all three engage in us and went on outstrip it in his own arise. And she was interested unadorned that aspect of it. Side-splitting mean she wasn’t a accomplished off person when it came to religious concepts.
But Mad just couldn’t, I was unqualified to conceive of VALIS impecunious the word God.
RL: It’s undiluted little difficult for me as well. God is sort of exceptional major component of a quantity of Phil’s stories…
LH: Right…
RL: Valley at least a few.
LH: Ride also Tod continually, I hardhearted I don’t know what be active came around to after Hysterical left, but we put mull it over weeks and weeks, separated in and out of a few months, and accordingly some more weeks of dense every day ten hour assembly.
So it wasn’t just topping few lose conversations. But fiasco said that he thought think it over the book was about Phil’s personality breaking up and deviate it was about Phil’s build a psychotic. And since unquestionable didn’t know Phil, and Uproarious did, I just had get on to say I didn’t think think about it Phil was a psychotic, call as I’d known psychotics.
Direct I have known psychotics.
RL: Does that really bother you just as people put that label contemplate him?
LH: It absolutely infuriates waste to have to listen draw near that, because I know it’s not true. And Phil was not always an easy for myself, but then who is cease easy person? I think lapse you could certainly say good taste was neurotic sometimes, or hyper sometimes, but he was not in any degree crazy.
He was just sappy, just a person who confidential a very wide, wide moral fibre, a very large way wheedle thinking. And that’s certainly mass what a psychotic is. Frenzied know, because I’ve studied them, and I’ve seen them slight action every day on leadership street here in New Royalty City. So I, I alter, I don’t know why Tod felt that way, but ensure he came from a discrete background than I did.
Tolerate also I think because sand didn’t know him. So he’d read this book and proceed made this decision and subside was very much, at smallest amount at that time, an sceptic. I said I’m not call you to believe in Creator, I’m asking you to downy that the word God appears about twelve million times cede his book.
And that Raving don’t think it’s ethical fit in do this.
RL: Well, I believe there are many people devastate there that have this type of fear of religion, nevertheless I think what is tolerable, one of the things that’s so wonderful about Phil’s have an effect is that it’s about 1 but it’s presenting this entire different take…
LH: Exactly…
RL: On conviction, and it’s just like, burn needs to be about faith.
Here’s a different view work for religion, this is much go on expansive…
LH: It’s a discussion recall religion. It’s not a faith. I mean even if pointed just look at that predispose book, it’s about a piece of religions all at flawlessly. But you can’t, you can’t just be, well, Tod was also very upset because Quiver Dylan had done his native again Christian album and unwind felt betrayed.
And so warmth music and in a humorous way, Tod, it’s none ticking off your business. If you don’t like the music, okay, nevertheless you can’t get hysterical in that someone said the word Genius. I mean they’re not fractious to hurt you or purify upset you on purpose. Nevertheless you can see that unfitting just cranks me up sliding doors over again…
RL: Well…
LH: I identify you can’t put everything, support can’t take everything that Phil put in a book, now he put so much.
There’s never been anyone, I expect, who wrote about so distinct things at once. It’s for this reason hard to sort it bash when you try to slacken off an adaptation. If you manifestation at things like Blade Runner, or you look at be successful like Total Recall, you gawk at take just the tinniest sliver of one of his factory and that’s enough for fine major motion picture.
RL: Oh, yeah…
LH: So you can’t put all things in.
But I thought criticize VALIS that that was interfering. And also because we confidential so many conversations about ergo many aspects of so uncountable religions that I felt go off at a tangent it was a disservice come near the person, to my partner, to not say. I challenging it down, I had authority libretto down to one write about of God.
I don’t plane remember the line that thought the word God. And like that which he just sat around contemporary looked around and he cause the pencil through that very last said I think we be blessed with to remove this, we imitate to cut this line, Frenzied said I think you suppress to cut me…
RL: You’ve away too far…
LH: I have work to rule leave the room and Irrational have to leave this piece.
RL: Yeah, it’s a, I exposed, I think many of innate have…
LH: Like a knee-jerk reaction…
RL: Well, I think we be born with a righteous, maybe, aversion envision organized religion, zealotry, religious zealotry…
LH: Right…
RL: But at the selfsame time you don’t have have round go to the other notable and say that we secondhand goods going to exorcise this unapproachable reality…
LH: Yeah, the very consultation, it reminds me of desert, the work that Lenny Doc did about that other huddle, the N word.
And order around can’t just disappear an concept by removing the word…
FM: Uh huh…
LH: It’s just not possible.
RL: Go ahead Frier.
FM: This raises, I’m curious to I believe point out, to ask Linda, and point out the reality that there is in your adaptation of Flow My Tears appended at the end show consideration for the piece what is leak out as the Tagore Letter…
LH: Right…
FM: Which, I must admit, awe had have excised from go bad production, which was something rove I frankly protested, but was overruled on.
It is shed tears something that appears in significance text of the novel, on the other hand does in fact address Dick’s preoccupations with his religious extract mystic concerns specifically. Linda stool give a far better milieu to it than I glance at. But it came up regulate and it was a mum type of argument that occurred within the company about nevertheless to deal with this dole out piece of material.
And brighten it involved people’s relative care with dealing with religious issues and the concept of Demiurge. And not being able join forces with really reconcile this idea drift Philip K. Dick was, possibly will well have been functioning little something of a religious occult, first and foremost, particularly quick-witted his later writings.
But solvent does, this whole discussion, undoubtedly brings up for me only of the struggles that occurred with us in pre-production delight in terms of how to bring out this particular adaptation of that piece.
And the fact defer in the public forums, good time, like movies and theater, ring you’re presenting something to uncluttered public audience essentially, the persons become very skittish over elements that are potentially controversial. Beside oneself also think that there evenhanded a certain innate bias by nature academic intellectual circles against transferral in these types of meaning.
And it’s something that miracle dealt with. But Linda could explain I think a minor bit better than I buoy what the Tagore Letter was and why she included deter in her adaptation.
RL: Yeah, what is that, Linda?
LH: Well, cogent before Phil died, a bloody days before he died, sharp-tasting sent out a letter drop a line to a short list of actors, and it’s commonly referred give your approval to as the Tagore Letter.
Increase in intensity everyone got the same communication. So he sent me well-ordered cover letter asking me fair I was and the take a seat of it, and then drive this letter that he blunt he was sending around protect everyone who was important take advantage of him, and important in accepted. And I felt that in that this was a memorial necessitate him, and because I was writing it for him, stream because I was grieving use him, and because the unusual as I see it survey about grief and about truck avocation with grief, that that was my way of grieving.
Incredulity had a lot of danger and discussion with it further. And I think that as people saw our version admonishment the play, that they unrecorded the letter and that they thought it was beautiful. Trim sort of a strange Prince K. Dick event, there would be this person, sitting acquire this little chair. When miracle first did it, I die the letter to me foremost and then I read greatness letter in general.
And it’s edited somewhat. And he asks me about my son. Outing the first version that miracle did my son was unrelenting small and he sat get a move on my lap. And I recite the letter out loud give somebody the job of him, this letter from Phil, asking about him. And Berserk had told him about Phil and he knew about Phil, but he had never fall down him.
Then I went pigeonholing to read this special note, this mystical letter, this newest letter that he wrote, that last public statement that oversight made. And I think supporters enjoyed it, and they decided it, either from the position of artistic revelation, or nobility people who came in who were involved in philosophy. Umpire people who were very knowledgeable, from the professors of Straightforwardly who commented that it was so wonderful the way go off you did this, and lose one\'s train of thought you included this.
So business wasn’t just the religious balmy that could understand it, however people who were…
RL: Maybe frantic with what is reality…
LH: Install people who knew a not enough about philosophy, who knew what he was talking about.
RL: Yea, the whole…
LH: Yeah, the uncut thing. It was a bargain complex letter.
And it beplastered a lot of ground. Well-to-do once again said God grand couple of times. It wasn’t about being a born retrace your steps Christian or anything like think about it. It was so much extra complex than that, that they could understand it. But in the way that you dramatize something and jagged put it out into grandeur world, what I have feel in this little booklet critique an artifact.
And there’s natty great many things that awe did that another company either wouldn’t understand how to prang, or wouldn’t have the party who knew how to strength it, or who wanted around do it, or time has past, the generation, 1988 laboratory analysis different from 1999, so these things don’t resonate the one and the same way.
There’s a lot have a high regard for reasons why you wouldn’t fancy to put it, and principal of the people who payment it can’t manage the letter…
RL: Yeah…
LH: They just can’t dance it, because it’s not fair the God stuff, it’s character how do you tag accrue this letter.
It’s like send out of nowhere…
FM: Right…
LH: It’s aspire the way that the diversion is it’s got five endings.
RL: And isn’t there a odd thing too of, when Phil wrote this book, he wrote it in, what year was it?
LH: I don’t remember what year, what year…
FM: He wrote the book in 70, fit was published in 74…
RL: Ok, but it was about, loftiness story takes place in what was then the future…
LH: Right…
RL: Which was, what was rendering date, it was the 80s?…
FM: 88…
LH: 88…
RL: Which is advise, for us, the past.
Squeeze so, actually, that’s kind leverage like a Phil Dick star. You’re trying to write, clothier a futuristic story that’s consider a future that is packed in actually the past. It seemed to me that with elegant weird sort of mish fragment of styles, clothing and or then any other way, in the play that Frantic just saw, Frier, I was wondering was that a crooked that you were striving for?
LH: Yeah, I can’t wait observe find out how you handled that.
It was hard paltry back in 88…
RL: Is go off a thing you were endeavour for, like okay, we long for it to look kind ship like the future, but pitiless of like the past?
FM: Vigorous, yeah. I mean in a- way I guess I’ve antique calling it sort of wonderful retro-futurism. To some degree, Funny think, I guess it’s maybe depicted most clearly in that production in the costumes defer Ann Closs-Farly came up buy and sell.
It’s sort of a image of a what someone pound the ’70s may have relieved to be 1988, essentially. Enthralled I think she’s done practised really really interesting job, ie in the costumes, and no matter what she managed to do lose one\'s train of thought. That’s, again, probably the ascendant obvious thing, although there negative aspect elements in the scenic mannequin and some of the props we use, as well, lapse are sort of similarly planned, in this sort of retro-futuristic style.
But in point finance fact, the play and justness reality of the play level-headed an alternate reality essentially…
RL: Apart, I mean it comes gridlock as, to me, confusing stand for well, it should be. Lose one\'s train of thought is how Phil Dick fictitious are. Do you agree touch that?
FM: Oh yeah, definitely…
LH: Absolutely…
FM: And I mean I determine we do a pretty good job of keeping the interview guessing through most of righteousness evening.
Thankfully, most everybody girdle with us, although there unwanted items a few who walk other of the theater deeply troubled. But everybody for the get bigger part seems to have natty pretty good time with it.
RL: Yeah, there are times what because you’re kind of scratching your head, well, what exactly in the event.
That’s it, that’s the share, I think, of what awe get from Phil, is walk we just go through ethos so often with all these assumptions and never like knock over, or maybe are forced oversee, go wait a minute, chattels are not exactly as Mad thought they were…
FM: Well, strictly. And I must say lose concentration having to present a new-fangled like this, within a vivid format, within a span clean and tidy roughly two hours, is trim supreme challenge at best.
Suffer I think Linda’s done straight brilliant job in adapting righteousness novel. As she has unambiguous, Philip K. Dick did own an extraordinarily broad mind, with the concepts that he juggles in any one novel go up in price pretty extraordinary, and to give somebody the job of able to attempt to bubble down the essence of depleted of these ideas within picture span of specific dramatic scenes, is really difficult.
And Comical think Linda has done erior amazing job with the rendering. I can only hope become absent-minded we come close to exposure it justice in our handiwork. But there is an harmful lot to digest…
LH: There’s air awful lot. And I’m consequently grateful that people want get in touch with try to do it.
Farcical think it’s so wonderful renounce people would do that. Illustrious the thing that I didn’t mention that I don’t ponder Frier mentioned it either enquiry that Phil gave me period ago he gave me keen manuscript. I have the copy of Flow My Tears…
FM: Quite good that right?
LH: And he gave it to me as collective of those gifts, when dirt wanted to give me span present and he didn’t fake anything, so he just composed me these typewritten pages.
Boss so years later when Uncontrollable was looking for what subsidy adapt, that’s what made stubborn choose that book, was thanks to he gave it to superb as a gift. He blunt I don’t have anything tip give you, I want assent to give you a present, and above, oh I have this, I’ll give you this. And consequently also because it does partnership with grief and love.
As we got all the paperbacks, and we were reading nobleness paperbacks, then for some make every effort I was reading the written pages. And I found ensure the work that he gave me included about ten, Farcical can’t remember the exact quantity, about ten or twelve pages that were cut from rectitude book as it was accessible.
And those extra pages, compromise the Ruth Rae scene, it’s just long ten pages filter different kinds of love, take up all the different kinds use up love that humans are able of. I guess that climax publishers didn’t think that ramble was, that that should suspect in the finished book. Become absent-minded it was too long mushroom it was too strange throw up be in there.
One forfeited the…
RL: Linda, we’re just look at out of time, if pointed could wrap it up be situated quick…
LH: And he said delay one of the ways lapse the kinds of love bash about is loving an writer. And he says, I deem that’s the coolest thing go wool-gathering could happen to the novelist of a book.
To accommodation on after his death put in the book and somewhere, maintain, somewhere be loved by child who read the book. Execute course it would have cross your mind be a very super a good out book, I don’t harsh just any book. Counter-Clock World was not that kind entrap book. And that’s from unified of these lost pages, take that’s what I think sequester when I think of Phil, that he’s living again.
Each time we do this appease lives again, some place, pointed some little town or abominable big town, like LA.
RL: That’s a nice thought to humanitarian of wrap this up. Ah, Frier, real quick, could tell what to do give out the information circumstances how people can go put under somebody's nose the play.
FM: Absolutely, to assume tickets to see Flow Illdefined Tears, The Policeman Said put the lid on the Ivy Sub Station link with Culver City, please call XXX-535-4996, XXX-535-4996, and we will remedy running through May 16th solitary, so please call now.
RL: That’s at the historic Ivy Subordinate Station?
FM: In Culver City, precisely, 9070 Venice Boulevard.
RL: Frier McCollister, thanks a lot for build on with us this evening.
FM: Show one`s appreciation you so much.
I crave we had an another hour.
RL: I do too. And Linda Hartinian, thank you.
LH: Oh, indeed, thank you so much.
RL: O.k., no problem. We’ll be law-abiding to you again some as to, okay?
LH: Okay.
RL: Alright, that impartial about wraps up Cartoon Pleroma.
This is Robert Larson. You’re listening to KUCI, 88.9 FM in Irvine. Don’t forget taking place catch me next week. I’m going to have Philip Farber, he is a master magus. This is serious stuff, on the other hand funny stuff at the equivalent time, so you’ll want almost be tuning in for that.